In the final of the four meetings in Santa Monica, J. Krishnamurti proposes that they talk about and share together naturally, the question of how to have not only abundant physical energy but also a quality of energy that's not purely physical, brought about through friction, struggle; a quality of energy that is totally different. Why? Because, he answers, "'Because we need energy, not only to change ourselves in the light of our own understanding of ourselves, but also we need a great deal of energy to change the social structure in which we live.' The energy off which he speaks is no of any one group, country, religious belief or dogma but it is an energy that is totally outside of all human conflict; it is a new quality of energy; energy of a totally different dimension. In some way, J. Krishnamurti is talking about an entirely new form of religion (because as he points out, he is chiefly concerned with religion here). But what form does this take? "'I'm not talking about the religion which the priests have invented throughout the world, organised, with their vested interest in property, in God, in rituals, but a religion that has nothing whatsoever to do with any dogma, belief, ritual, that is not the product of a cunning thought, contriving to shape the man's behaviour. We are talking of another religion in which there are no saviours, masters, accepting some authority, in which the priest doesn't intervene, in which there is direct perception. And that very perception brings about its own order, its own vitality, its own energy.' J. Krishnamurti goes on to discuss the nature of consciousness and the ways in which mankind might use this new form of religion; of energy to change the way we live.